and remember everything that goes around comes around .............
9 out of 10 times i have found answers on oracle forums as opposed to Google....I agree dont use "Google" for everrrrrrrrrrything!
Eddie Awad
· 3 years ago
Unlike the Oracle documentation, the OTN forums are indexed by google. For example: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site:forums.oracle.com+dbms_sql" rel="nofollow">site:forums.oracle.com dbms_sql
Karl
· 3 years ago
It's good to look at the documentation but the weak point of it is to find for example special snytax for local indexes or even worse what's the default if i create an index on a partitioned table? is it LOCAL or GLOBAL? i searched too long for this important point (looked at the user_ind_partitions to find the answer);
LOOK at he create table clause it's remembers me on a SQL statement with > 100 NESTED LOOPS in the plan.
hard to find the right stuff.
but I still like to search in the manual specially the 10.2 search ist great.
Karl
Eddie Awad
· 3 years ago
In some situations, especially when you want to know or change the default options of a SQL statement, DBMS_METADATA can be a quick alternative to consulting the docs.
Karl
· 3 years ago
good tip Eddie! Karl
Tim Hall
· 3 years ago
Eddie:
Just to clarify, I made no mention of RTFM in my blog post and I don't use that response in forums. I agree that an RTFM response is pointless as it doesn't help the original poster.
My point here is that people need to take responsibility for themselves, part of which is reading the manual. :)
Cheers
Tim...
Eddie Awad
· 3 years ago
Thanks for the clarification Tim.
Even though you did not mention the acronym "RTFM" in your post, I did feel that in your heart you were saying: "Read The Manual" people (no "F" whatsoever :)).
laurent schneider
· 3 years ago
http://download-uk.oracle.com/robots.txt interesting to read that the robots are disallowed to access the beta documentation :-p
Eddie Awad
· 3 years ago
According to Justin Kestelyn: these (robot.txt) exclusions will be removed shortly, when testing is complete. -- July 20th, 2006
John Flack
· 3 years ago
I rarely tell people to read the fine manual, and when I do, I tell them which manual to read and will often point them at the chapter. The main reason I will do it, is that sometimes the question reveals a basic lack of understanding that is hard to give in less text than is in the manual. A forum or mailing list is a great way to get information that can be delivered in a few paragraphs. But when you need more than that, only the manual, or a good book will do.
All Comments
Good post. Just makes the issue more clear for us none native English speakers.
Next time I will link to: http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/search.pl?qu...>
;-)
And if you're going to take the time to tell someone to RTFM, tell them which FM to read, and where to find it. Same goes for searching.
Robert
Wednesday, July 19, 2006
Finding Information - How do you find answers to other questions?
http://thinkoracle.blogspot.com/2006/07/finding...>
Thursday, July 14, 2005
Oracle Docs - For when people tell you to RTFM!
http://thinkoracle.blogspot.com/2005/07/oracle-...>
(Hm - July seems to be the time of year this topic bugs me. :)
Your Google cartoon is a bit off topic since the Oracle docs are still off limits to Google: http://download-uk.oracle.com/robots.txt</p>
I have seen read the fine manual too. Also funny is http://googleityoumoron.com
Once I almost wrote
RTFM twice
but I wrote :
tahiti.oracle.com
:-)
Here is a video related to the topic, not directly related to Oracle though!
(Warning Sound)
http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/posting.p...>
(Warning Sound)
and remember everything that goes around comes around .............
9 out of 10 times i have found answers on oracle forums as opposed to Google....I agree dont use "Google" for everrrrrrrrrrything!
Unlike the Oracle documentation, the OTN forums are indexed by google. For example: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=site:forums.oracle.com+dbms_sql" rel="nofollow">site:forums.oracle.com dbms_sql
It's good to look at the documentation but the weak point of it is to find for example special snytax for local indexes or even worse what's the default if i create an index on a partitioned table? is it LOCAL or GLOBAL?
i searched too long for this important point (looked at the user_ind_partitions to find the answer);
LOOK at he create table clause it's remembers me on a SQL statement with > 100 NESTED LOOPS in the plan.
hard to find the right stuff.
but I still like to search in the manual specially the 10.2 search ist great.
Karl
In some situations, especially when you want to know or change the default options of a SQL statement, DBMS_METADATA can be a quick alternative to consulting the docs.
good tip Eddie!
Karl
Eddie:
Just to clarify, I made no mention of RTFM in my blog post and I don't use that response in forums. I agree that an RTFM response is pointless as it doesn't help the original poster.
My point here is that people need to take responsibility for themselves, part of which is reading the manual. :)
Cheers
Tim...
Thanks for the clarification Tim.
Even though you did not mention the acronym "RTFM" in your post, I did feel that in your heart you were saying: "Read The Manual" people (no "F" whatsoever :)).
http://download-uk.oracle.com/robots.txt
interesting to read that the robots are disallowed to access the beta documentation :-p
According to Justin Kestelyn: these (robot.txt) exclusions will be removed shortly, when testing is complete. -- July 20th, 2006
I rarely tell people to read the fine manual, and when I do, I tell them which manual to read and will often point them at the chapter. The main reason I will do it, is that sometimes the question reveals a basic lack of understanding that is hard to give in less text than is in the manual. A forum or mailing list is a great way to get information that can be delivered in a few paragraphs. But when you need more than that, only the manual, or a good book will do.